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		<title>By: phredd</title>
		<link>http://blog.smartmemes.com/2009/12/irony-so-thick-i-could-choke-on-it/comment-page-1/#comment-1050</link>
		<dc:creator>phredd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jan 2010 19:06:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I do have faster broadband in the UK, but for the upstream it&#039;s not much better than you have.  Sugar Sync (and I would presume others) do their thing in the background, so I don&#039;t even notice.  I think when I first set it up, I configured it, set the folders I wanted and let it go to work when I went to bed.  I also keep my mac running 24/7 anyway.  I&#039;ve never experienced any lag from the backup process.  I also do have a 300 GB external that I throw things onto as another form of backup as well, but I&#039;ve seen my share of backup disasters involving primary and backup spinning media.  Also, off site backups have your back in case of fire or other such disaster.

Anyhow, Happy New Year!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I do have faster broadband in the UK, but for the upstream it&#8217;s not much better than you have.  Sugar Sync (and I would presume others) do their thing in the background, so I don&#8217;t even notice.  I think when I first set it up, I configured it, set the folders I wanted and let it go to work when I went to bed.  I also keep my mac running 24/7 anyway.  I&#8217;ve never experienced any lag from the backup process.  I also do have a 300 GB external that I throw things onto as another form of backup as well, but I&#8217;ve seen my share of backup disasters involving primary and backup spinning media.  Also, off site backups have your back in case of fire or other such disaster.</p>
<p>Anyhow, Happy New Year!</p>
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		<title>By: Chris J. Miller</title>
		<link>http://blog.smartmemes.com/2009/12/irony-so-thick-i-could-choke-on-it/comment-page-1/#comment-1049</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris J. Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jan 2010 15:25:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phredd-

Thanks also for your sympathy and advice (your long comment was languishing in limbo until today when I saw it waiting to be &quot;approved&quot;). You&#039;re not the only one to suggest online backup, although what&#039;s always held me back from taking that route (for more than a handful of documents, anyway) is that it&#039;s so much *slower* than a firewire connection to another drive.  Perhaps your broadband is faster than mine... I only get 3 Mbps downstream, and about 1Mbps upstream. (Remember when speeds like that sounded fast?) I&#039;ll look into it, nevertheless. (As for tape, as you note, cost is kinda prohibitive.)  

Even if I were to do incremental backup of key documents to the &quot;cloud,&quot; though, I&#039;d probably still want an emergency bootable copy on a physical drive... and the attempt to create that is exactly what killed me here. That&#039;s what&#039;s so frustrating. Everything I&#039;ve ever read says best practice is to do one *whole* backup before doing later incremental ones, and that was the stumbling block. *Whatever* form of external storage I might&#039;ve been trying to write to, it was the very process of writing from my whole chock-fulla-documents User Folder at one time that apparently proved to be too much for my drive heads. 

Last conversation from the data recovery guy, he informed me that my PowerBook had a particular model of Seagate drive with a known flaw that can lead to physical drive failure... meaning my odds of recovery are down around 40%, and if anything&#039;s there it&#039;ll be expensive. At this point I&#039;m pondering the cost (in terms of both emotional angst and sheer inconvenience) of just writing off the lost data and restarting from scratch. New year, fresh start, right?...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phredd-</p>
<p>Thanks also for your sympathy and advice (your long comment was languishing in limbo until today when I saw it waiting to be &#8220;approved&#8221;). You&#8217;re not the only one to suggest online backup, although what&#8217;s always held me back from taking that route (for more than a handful of documents, anyway) is that it&#8217;s so much *slower* than a firewire connection to another drive.  Perhaps your broadband is faster than mine&#8230; I only get 3 Mbps downstream, and about 1Mbps upstream. (Remember when speeds like that sounded fast?) I&#8217;ll look into it, nevertheless. (As for tape, as you note, cost is kinda prohibitive.)  </p>
<p>Even if I were to do incremental backup of key documents to the &#8220;cloud,&#8221; though, I&#8217;d probably still want an emergency bootable copy on a physical drive&#8230; and the attempt to create that is exactly what killed me here. That&#8217;s what&#8217;s so frustrating. Everything I&#8217;ve ever read says best practice is to do one *whole* backup before doing later incremental ones, and that was the stumbling block. *Whatever* form of external storage I might&#8217;ve been trying to write to, it was the very process of writing from my whole chock-fulla-documents User Folder at one time that apparently proved to be too much for my drive heads. </p>
<p>Last conversation from the data recovery guy, he informed me that my PowerBook had a particular model of Seagate drive with a known flaw that can lead to physical drive failure&#8230; meaning my odds of recovery are down around 40%, and if anything&#8217;s there it&#8217;ll be expensive. At this point I&#8217;m pondering the cost (in terms of both emotional angst and sheer inconvenience) of just writing off the lost data and restarting from scratch. New year, fresh start, right?&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Dwight Williams</title>
		<link>http://blog.smartmemes.com/2009/12/irony-so-thick-i-could-choke-on-it/comment-page-1/#comment-1047</link>
		<dc:creator>Dwight Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jan 2010 03:15:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some of us end up scattering them hither and yon by accident in spite of our best intentions to the contrary. At any rate, this is going to be a cautionary tale sooner than later, I think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some of us end up scattering them hither and yon by accident in spite of our best intentions to the contrary. At any rate, this is going to be a cautionary tale sooner than later, I think.</p>
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		<title>By: phredd</title>
		<link>http://blog.smartmemes.com/2009/12/irony-so-thick-i-could-choke-on-it/comment-page-1/#comment-1046</link>
		<dc:creator>phredd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 19:28:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And re: users storing things in strange places:  I&#039;ve even seen people using the trash as a file storage folder.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And re: users storing things in strange places:  I&#8217;ve even seen people using the trash as a file storage folder.</p>
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		<title>By: phredd</title>
		<link>http://blog.smartmemes.com/2009/12/irony-so-thick-i-could-choke-on-it/comment-page-1/#comment-1045</link>
		<dc:creator>phredd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 19:27:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris, you have my sympathies.  I&#039;ve been a backup evangelist forever, but I also know what a pain in the ass it can be unless you&#039;ve got a loyal sysadmin taking care of it for you (and even then, shit happens).

I&#039;m very much not a fan of backing up hard drive to hard drive because drives die a lot.  I prefer tape, but doing that is a pretty big investment in time and trouble.

Happily, these days there&#039;s something a lot easier to do if you have broadband.  There are a number of good online backup services available these days, which let you set up backups that you can just set up to go and forget about.  I&#039;ve been using a service called SugarSync. http://www.sugarsync.com/  Which you can try for free.  There are plenty of other services around too.

http://www.macworld.com/article/142606/2009/09/online_backup.html
http://www.nextadvisor.com/online_backup_services/compare_mac.php

Those can get you started.  

I don&#039;t have SugarSync back everything up for me, just my project folders as I create them and also things like my email files and photos.  I haven&#039;t had to use it yet, but it&#039;s nice to have around.  It&#039;s also been handy for me as I can set a backup to become a shared web folder, so I&#039;ve been able to use it to get docs to people with ridiculous limits on email attachments.

Oh, and no matter how you decide to approach backups, you absolutely must do a test restore once you&#039;ve got a backup up and running.  It won&#039;t do you any good to be backing up if the backups are buggered.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris, you have my sympathies.  I&#8217;ve been a backup evangelist forever, but I also know what a pain in the ass it can be unless you&#8217;ve got a loyal sysadmin taking care of it for you (and even then, shit happens).</p>
<p>I&#8217;m very much not a fan of backing up hard drive to hard drive because drives die a lot.  I prefer tape, but doing that is a pretty big investment in time and trouble.</p>
<p>Happily, these days there&#8217;s something a lot easier to do if you have broadband.  There are a number of good online backup services available these days, which let you set up backups that you can just set up to go and forget about.  I&#8217;ve been using a service called SugarSync. <a href="http://www.sugarsync.com/"  rel="nofollow">http://www.sugarsync.com/</a>  Which you can try for free.  There are plenty of other services around too.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.macworld.com/article/142606/2009/09/online_backup.html"  rel="nofollow">http://www.macworld.com/article/142606/2009/09/online_backup.html</a><br />
<a href="http://www.nextadvisor.com/online_backup_services/compare_mac.php"  rel="nofollow">http://www.nextadvisor.com/online_backup_services/compare_mac.php</a></p>
<p>Those can get you started.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t have SugarSync back everything up for me, just my project folders as I create them and also things like my email files and photos.  I haven&#8217;t had to use it yet, but it&#8217;s nice to have around.  It&#8217;s also been handy for me as I can set a backup to become a shared web folder, so I&#8217;ve been able to use it to get docs to people with ridiculous limits on email attachments.</p>
<p>Oh, and no matter how you decide to approach backups, you absolutely must do a test restore once you&#8217;ve got a backup up and running.  It won&#8217;t do you any good to be backing up if the backups are buggered.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris J. Miller</title>
		<link>http://blog.smartmemes.com/2009/12/irony-so-thick-i-could-choke-on-it/comment-page-1/#comment-1044</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris J. Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 09:29:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RAB-
&lt;blockquote&gt;For a bootable external drive, a clean install of the OS is the best way to go, along with a fresh install of third-party apps, preference panes, etc.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
In retrospect, yeah, that would&#039;ve been the way to go. (Although a &lt;b&gt;lot&lt;/b&gt; more labor-intensive.) Suffice it to say I&#039;m a whole lot more skeptical now about the usefulness of programs like SuperDuper (and its competitor CarbonCopyCloner), notwithstanding all the glowing reviews scattered about. 

Of course, given that the failure occurred right at the point when it was trying to copy my User folder, which is easily half of my content overall, it might have happened even had I just done it manually. 

OTOH, as long as I&#039;m casting recriminations at myself (and believe me, I&#039;ve been doing that all day), if I&#039;d just gotten off the fence and done this months ago, maybe the drive would&#039;ve survived the ordeal and I&#039;d have a recoverable backup. I kept procrastinating because I was (until recently) always using the computer for one big project or another, and didn&#039;t want to be left hanging if  I started fiddling with it and Something Happened. (Like this.) So, IOW, trying to be risk-averse wound up leaving me in a risky situation. Can&#039;t win for losing, eh?

(Do people really still scatter their files hither and yon like that? The OS practically holds your hand to avoid it these days...)

Michael-
You must have quite a few backup CDs floating around at this point. Doesn&#039;t organizing/cataloging them get to be a hassle?

Anyhow, thanks for the good wishes, everyone. Keeping my fingers crossed...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RAB-</p>
<blockquote><p>For a bootable external drive, a clean install of the OS is the best way to go, along with a fresh install of third-party apps, preference panes, etc.</p></blockquote>
<p>In retrospect, yeah, that would&#8217;ve been the way to go. (Although a <b>lot</b> more labor-intensive.) Suffice it to say I&#8217;m a whole lot more skeptical now about the usefulness of programs like SuperDuper (and its competitor CarbonCopyCloner), notwithstanding all the glowing reviews scattered about. </p>
<p>Of course, given that the failure occurred right at the point when it was trying to copy my User folder, which is easily half of my content overall, it might have happened even had I just done it manually. </p>
<p>OTOH, as long as I&#8217;m casting recriminations at myself (and believe me, I&#8217;ve been doing that all day), if I&#8217;d just gotten off the fence and done this months ago, maybe the drive would&#8217;ve survived the ordeal and I&#8217;d have a recoverable backup. I kept procrastinating because I was (until recently) always using the computer for one big project or another, and didn&#8217;t want to be left hanging if  I started fiddling with it and Something Happened. (Like this.) So, IOW, trying to be risk-averse wound up leaving me in a risky situation. Can&#8217;t win for losing, eh?</p>
<p>(Do people really still scatter their files hither and yon like that? The OS practically holds your hand to avoid it these days&#8230;)</p>
<p>Michael-<br />
You must have quite a few backup CDs floating around at this point. Doesn&#8217;t organizing/cataloging them get to be a hassle?</p>
<p>Anyhow, thanks for the good wishes, everyone. Keeping my fingers crossed&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: RAB</title>
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		<dc:creator>RAB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 06:24:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This definitely gave me sympathy pains.  Been there more than a few times myself…and as a former Apple certified tech I&#039;ve had to try and help others through it as well.  Though this may be too late to help now, I hope you&#039;ll forgive me offering a suggestion for the future.  I&#039;ve never been a fan of full disk backups, partly because of this kind of hazard and partly because it always seemed somewhat wasteful.  In most home user cases for OS X, all your important stuff will be in your home directory, and that&#039;s what you really need to back up.  (That said, whenever I do a data backup for a client, I check to make sure they haven&#039;t accidentally been saving documents into the Applications folder, or System/Library/, or something -- it happens more often than you&#039;d think.)  For a bootable external drive, a clean install of the OS is the best way to go, along with a fresh install of third-party apps, preference panes, etc.  

Anyway, I&#039;m wishing you the best and hope all that data can be restored!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This definitely gave me sympathy pains.  Been there more than a few times myself…and as a former Apple certified tech I&#8217;ve had to try and help others through it as well.  Though this may be too late to help now, I hope you&#8217;ll forgive me offering a suggestion for the future.  I&#8217;ve never been a fan of full disk backups, partly because of this kind of hazard and partly because it always seemed somewhat wasteful.  In most home user cases for OS X, all your important stuff will be in your home directory, and that&#8217;s what you really need to back up.  (That said, whenever I do a data backup for a client, I check to make sure they haven&#8217;t accidentally been saving documents into the Applications folder, or System/Library/, or something &#8212; it happens more often than you&#8217;d think.)  For a bootable external drive, a clean install of the OS is the best way to go, along with a fresh install of third-party apps, preference panes, etc.  </p>
<p>Anyway, I&#8217;m wishing you the best and hope all that data can be restored!</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 03:26:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This sucks. And it adds yet another reason why my method of backing up is simply to copy selected folders to a CD every so often (like, say, before a trip). And to keep copies of really important files on at least two of my computers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This sucks. And it adds yet another reason why my method of backing up is simply to copy selected folders to a CD every so often (like, say, before a trip). And to keep copies of really important files on at least two of my computers.</p>
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		<title>By: Dwight Williams</title>
		<link>http://blog.smartmemes.com/2009/12/irony-so-thick-i-could-choke-on-it/comment-page-1/#comment-1041</link>
		<dc:creator>Dwight Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 00:29:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OUCH. 

*winces*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OUCH. </p>
<p>*winces*</p>
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