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		<title>By: I Love Moneys</title>
		<link>http://blog.smartmemes.com/2009/10/things-that-make-your-jaw-drop/comment-page-1/#comment-1221</link>
		<dc:creator>I Love Moneys</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 May 2011 15:29:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a very good post thanks for sharing.</description>
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		<title>By: Dwight Williams</title>
		<link>http://blog.smartmemes.com/2009/10/things-that-make-your-jaw-drop/comment-page-1/#comment-1034</link>
		<dc:creator>Dwight Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 19:48:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Cruel fanaticism or career death! Choose now! Choose insanity!&quot;

It&#039;s as if they&#039;ve been infected with some offshoot of the Anti-Life Equation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Cruel fanaticism or career death! Choose now! Choose insanity!&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s as if they&#8217;ve been infected with some offshoot of the Anti-Life Equation.</p>
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		<title>By: Vamberfield</title>
		<link>http://blog.smartmemes.com/2009/10/things-that-make-your-jaw-drop/comment-page-1/#comment-1033</link>
		<dc:creator>Vamberfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 04:37:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My jaw keeps dropping due to the insanity coming from the right wing this election season. New York&#039;s 23rd district went Democratic for the first time since Reconstruction, thanks in no small part to ultra right wingers attempting to purge their party of the slightly less crazy type of conservatives. They seem to be thrilled with themselves. Do they think this is some kind of game?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My jaw keeps dropping due to the insanity coming from the right wing this election season. New York&#8217;s 23rd district went Democratic for the first time since Reconstruction, thanks in no small part to ultra right wingers attempting to purge their party of the slightly less crazy type of conservatives. They seem to be thrilled with themselves. Do they think this is some kind of game?</p>
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		<title>By: B.J. Shoemaker</title>
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		<dc:creator>B.J. Shoemaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 18:01:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Check out this website: http://www.republicansforrape.org/legislators/
It clearly calls out each of the 30 legislators who voted against the Franken amendment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Check out this website: <a href="http://www.republicansforrape.org/legislators/"  rel="nofollow">http://www.republicansforrape.org/legislators/</a><br />
It clearly calls out each of the 30 legislators who voted against the Franken amendment.</p>
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		<title>By: Dwight Williams</title>
		<link>http://blog.smartmemes.com/2009/10/things-that-make-your-jaw-drop/comment-page-1/#comment-1028</link>
		<dc:creator>Dwight Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 19:51:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another question: how &lt;i&gt;did&lt;/i&gt; such clauses ever get into these employment contracts in the first instance?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another question: how <i>did</i> such clauses ever get into these employment contracts in the first instance?</p>
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		<title>By: Chris J. Miller</title>
		<link>http://blog.smartmemes.com/2009/10/things-that-make-your-jaw-drop/comment-page-1/#comment-1026</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris J. Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 07:14:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anita, just to be clear, I have nothing at all against you or any other particular &lt;b&gt;individuals&lt;/b&gt; from the south. (Or from Texas in particular, which is in many ways almost a country unto itself. And has occasionally tried to be.) I&#039;ll cheerfully acknowledge that there are good people and enclaves of civilization to be found there. So no offense intended on that front, and I&#039;m glad none was taken.

However, those people and places are regrettably outnumbered across vast swathes of the region. (And it&#039;s not about mere corruption... as you point out, that can be found anywhere, and I&#039;d be the last person to defend the state of Illinois in that regard.) What I&#039;m talking about here are the political and cultural &lt;b&gt;attitudes&lt;/b&gt; that are all too widespread, all too commonplace below the Mason-Dixon line... attitudes that frequently haven&#039;t yet crawled out of the nineteenth century. 

Why? I honestly don&#039;t know. There are historical and economic and religious and educational and all sorts of other factors at play; it&#039;s an overdetermined phenomenon. Nor is it strictly limited to the south (e.g., consider Tom Frank&#039;s &lt;i&gt;What&#039;s the Matter With Kansas&lt;/i&gt;, asking many of the same questions about his home state)... but if you look at a map of the &quot;red states,&quot; or those with the lowest educational attainment, or the any number of other unfortunate indicators, the south clearly stands out as dominating the trendlines. 

(And what&#039;s worse, in a bitterly ironic sense, is that the reactionary throwbacks who are so overrepresented down there don&#039;t hesitate at all to toss casual calumnies at the &lt;b&gt;rest&lt;/b&gt; of the country. They&#039;re constantly talking about &quot;San Francisco liberals&quot; or &quot;East cost elites&quot; or northerners/urbanites in general as if the very geographical references were intrinsically insulting... as if there were something unsavory about being associated with the parts of America that provide the decided majority of the country&#039;s cultural and economic infrastructure, educational institutions, tax revenues and more. But I digress...)

Anyway, as for the legal implications of the divorce case, I&#039;m not quite as optimistic as you. I&#039;d like to think that the &quot;full faith and credit&quot; clause would shoot down &lt;b&gt;any&lt;/b&gt; state&#039;s failure to recognize a same-sex marriage (or any other kind) from another state... but thus far the federal courts have declined to interpret it that way, for reasons that remain inscrutable. Look at it logically and DOMA should have forced this issue years ago, but the USSC has refused to accept cert on any case that would require it to rule on the matter... just as it&#039;s refused to apply the equal protection clause in the way logic and precedent suggest. I think the main thing that&#039;ll bring change on equal marriage is plain old shifting demographics (more young people, fewer old ones), long before the courts find the backbone to deal with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anita, just to be clear, I have nothing at all against you or any other particular <b>individuals</b> from the south. (Or from Texas in particular, which is in many ways almost a country unto itself. And has occasionally tried to be.) I&#8217;ll cheerfully acknowledge that there are good people and enclaves of civilization to be found there. So no offense intended on that front, and I&#8217;m glad none was taken.</p>
<p>However, those people and places are regrettably outnumbered across vast swathes of the region. (And it&#8217;s not about mere corruption&#8230; as you point out, that can be found anywhere, and I&#8217;d be the last person to defend the state of Illinois in that regard.) What I&#8217;m talking about here are the political and cultural <b>attitudes</b> that are all too widespread, all too commonplace below the Mason-Dixon line&#8230; attitudes that frequently haven&#8217;t yet crawled out of the nineteenth century. </p>
<p>Why? I honestly don&#8217;t know. There are historical and economic and religious and educational and all sorts of other factors at play; it&#8217;s an overdetermined phenomenon. Nor is it strictly limited to the south (e.g., consider Tom Frank&#8217;s <i>What&#8217;s the Matter With Kansas</i>, asking many of the same questions about his home state)&#8230; but if you look at a map of the &#8220;red states,&#8221; or those with the lowest educational attainment, or the any number of other unfortunate indicators, the south clearly stands out as dominating the trendlines. </p>
<p>(And what&#8217;s worse, in a bitterly ironic sense, is that the reactionary throwbacks who are so overrepresented down there don&#8217;t hesitate at all to toss casual calumnies at the <b>rest</b> of the country. They&#8217;re constantly talking about &#8220;San Francisco liberals&#8221; or &#8220;East cost elites&#8221; or northerners/urbanites in general as if the very geographical references were intrinsically insulting&#8230; as if there were something unsavory about being associated with the parts of America that provide the decided majority of the country&#8217;s cultural and economic infrastructure, educational institutions, tax revenues and more. But I digress&#8230;)</p>
<p>Anyway, as for the legal implications of the divorce case, I&#8217;m not quite as optimistic as you. I&#8217;d like to think that the &#8220;full faith and credit&#8221; clause would shoot down <b>any</b> state&#8217;s failure to recognize a same-sex marriage (or any other kind) from another state&#8230; but thus far the federal courts have declined to interpret it that way, for reasons that remain inscrutable. Look at it logically and DOMA should have forced this issue years ago, but the USSC has refused to accept cert on any case that would require it to rule on the matter&#8230; just as it&#8217;s refused to apply the equal protection clause in the way logic and precedent suggest. I think the main thing that&#8217;ll bring change on equal marriage is plain old shifting demographics (more young people, fewer old ones), long before the courts find the backbone to deal with it.</p>
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		<title>By: Anita Burns</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anita Burns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 04:27:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah Dwight, and I&#039;m one of them!  Everyplace has it flaws (Who was IL&#039;s last governor?  and the guy before that???) but it is unquestioningly unreasonable to lump half the country together like that.  You know better, and I like the rest of your post, so this Houstonian won&#039;t take offense at your well meant, but displaced, moral outrage.  And FYI.. both those stories make me sick!   That they happened at all makes me cringe, and it blows my mind to think they happened in the 21st century!  

As for the Texas divorce case, I&#039;m really glad it&#039;s happened.  Maybe this will force the gay marriage issue before the Supreme Court.  Even though this is a pretty conservative court, I think they have to allow equal rights to everyone.  They can&#039;t just throw this back on the states because if one state doesn&#039;t recognize another&#039;s license, then a whole heckuva lotta people are gonna be in trouble.  Your thoughts on this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah Dwight, and I&#8217;m one of them!  Everyplace has it flaws (Who was IL&#8217;s last governor?  and the guy before that???) but it is unquestioningly unreasonable to lump half the country together like that.  You know better, and I like the rest of your post, so this Houstonian won&#8217;t take offense at your well meant, but displaced, moral outrage.  And FYI.. both those stories make me sick!   That they happened at all makes me cringe, and it blows my mind to think they happened in the 21st century!  </p>
<p>As for the Texas divorce case, I&#8217;m really glad it&#8217;s happened.  Maybe this will force the gay marriage issue before the Supreme Court.  Even though this is a pretty conservative court, I think they have to allow equal rights to everyone.  They can&#8217;t just throw this back on the states because if one state doesn&#8217;t recognize another&#8217;s license, then a whole heckuva lotta people are gonna be in trouble.  Your thoughts on this?</p>
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		<title>By: Dwight Williams</title>
		<link>http://blog.smartmemes.com/2009/10/things-that-make-your-jaw-drop/comment-page-1/#comment-1024</link>
		<dc:creator>Dwight Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 19:51:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are going to be people giving you arguments over that closing point, Chris.</description>
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