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		<title>By: Chris J. Miller</title>
		<link>http://blog.smartmemes.com/2009/03/geithners-latest-plan-for-the-banking-sector/comment-page-1/#comment-540</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris J. Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 22:32:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah. Not a question about the overtures toward Iran, either—Obama had to bring it up himself at the end. But everyone seems Deeply Concerned about budget deficits... despite the incredible short-sightedness of that in times like these. Methinks there may be another post in there somewhere...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah. Not a question about the overtures toward Iran, either—Obama had to bring it up himself at the end. But everyone seems Deeply Concerned about budget deficits&#8230; despite the incredible short-sightedness of that in times like these. Methinks there may be another post in there somewhere&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: phil from new york</title>
		<link>http://blog.smartmemes.com/2009/03/geithners-latest-plan-for-the-banking-sector/comment-page-1/#comment-539</link>
		<dc:creator>phil from new york</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 17:54:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s interesting that at Obama&#039;s press conference Tuesday night, not one question was asked about the bank bailout plan. I guess that means the Village media like it because Wall Street likes it. (But the reporters DO NOT, and I mean DO NOT!! like the impending budget deficits in the out years. And at least one reporter seemed to be upset that Americans aren&#039;t suffering enough in the greatest economic downturn since the &#039;30s. You can make this stuff up. It&#039;s not called the Village for nothing.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s interesting that at Obama&#8217;s press conference Tuesday night, not one question was asked about the bank bailout plan. I guess that means the Village media like it because Wall Street likes it. (But the reporters DO NOT, and I mean DO NOT!! like the impending budget deficits in the out years. And at least one reporter seemed to be upset that Americans aren&#8217;t suffering enough in the greatest economic downturn since the &#8217;30s. You can make this stuff up. It&#8217;s not called the Village for nothing.)</p>
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		<title>By: Chris J. Miller</title>
		<link>http://blog.smartmemes.com/2009/03/geithners-latest-plan-for-the-banking-sector/comment-page-1/#comment-535</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris J. Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 19:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that last point is a key one. When you&#039;ve had even the likes of Alan Greenspan and Lindsey Graham pointing to the need to nationalize zombie banks, it&#039;s become something that goes beyond the traditional political spectrum. When left and right agree on the economics, how is the middle of the road something different? Summers and Geithner&#039;s passionate dedication to restoring the finance system as it was, rather than engaging in a little creative destruction, is hard to fathom in terms either political &lt;b&gt;or&lt;/b&gt; economic.

That said... I think the &quot;no second chances&quot; analysis is a worst-case scenario. It&#039;s politically understandable (if regrettable) that Obama doesn&#039;t want to dump his guy and his guy&#039;s plan only two months in. So he gives it a chance to succeed or fail... but if/when it fails, what will be the obvious effects? Yes, time will be lost as lending continues to be overcautious (bad), and thus real businesses in the real economy will have cash-flow problems (also bad)... but these are all indirect effects. The thing people will see up on the surface is that bankers and investors refused to cooperate with a plan that bent over backward to accommodate them. Blame falls on them, and Obama moves on to the next thing. And it&#039;ll at least bolster an argument for even stronger, tougher regulation moving forward. Heck, even Geithner&#039;s testimony in today&#039;s news lays the groundwork for that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that last point is a key one. When you&#8217;ve had even the likes of Alan Greenspan and Lindsey Graham pointing to the need to nationalize zombie banks, it&#8217;s become something that goes beyond the traditional political spectrum. When left and right agree on the economics, how is the middle of the road something different? Summers and Geithner&#8217;s passionate dedication to restoring the finance system as it was, rather than engaging in a little creative destruction, is hard to fathom in terms either political <b>or</b> economic.</p>
<p>That said&#8230; I think the &#8220;no second chances&#8221; analysis is a worst-case scenario. It&#8217;s politically understandable (if regrettable) that Obama doesn&#8217;t want to dump his guy and his guy&#8217;s plan only two months in. So he gives it a chance to succeed or fail&#8230; but if/when it fails, what will be the obvious effects? Yes, time will be lost as lending continues to be overcautious (bad), and thus real businesses in the real economy will have cash-flow problems (also bad)&#8230; but these are all indirect effects. The thing people will see up on the surface is that bankers and investors refused to cooperate with a plan that bent over backward to accommodate them. Blame falls on them, and Obama moves on to the next thing. And it&#8217;ll at least bolster an argument for even stronger, tougher regulation moving forward. Heck, even Geithner&#8217;s testimony in today&#8217;s news lays the groundwork for that.</p>
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		<title>By: michael</title>
		<link>http://blog.smartmemes.com/2009/03/geithners-latest-plan-for-the-banking-sector/comment-page-1/#comment-534</link>
		<dc:creator>michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 17:05:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phil,

You read Krugman—and lots of other sensible economists—right: there will be no second chance. All the more reason Obama&#039;s reliance on Geithner and Summers is troubling; this may be his Katrina moment, as it were. 

Keep in mind that 1) the Democrats should have been able to win the White House running a ham sandwich, so we should not be too impressed that an affable, articulate, intelligent fellow like Obama won; 2) his campaign was run by people far better at their jobs than his economic team is at theirs, people who vehemently disagree with this team&#039;s current approach; 3) the trouble with Obama&#039;s economic policy is not that it is too middle of the road but that it is simply bad economics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil,</p>
<p>You read Krugman—and lots of other sensible economists—right: there will be no second chance. All the more reason Obama&#8217;s reliance on Geithner and Summers is troubling; this may be his Katrina moment, as it were. </p>
<p>Keep in mind that 1) the Democrats should have been able to win the White House running a ham sandwich, so we should not be too impressed that an affable, articulate, intelligent fellow like Obama won; 2) his campaign was run by people far better at their jobs than his economic team is at theirs, people who vehemently disagree with this team&#8217;s current approach; 3) the trouble with Obama&#8217;s economic policy is not that it is too middle of the road but that it is simply bad economics.</p>
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		<title>By: phil from new york</title>
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		<dc:creator>phil from new york</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 16:54:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris and Michael,

I&#039;m with you guys on this thing, so I&#039;m preaching to the choir here. I share Krugman&#039;s views on what needs to be done (along with his fellow Nobel winner Joseph Stiglitz). Krugman has been pretty dead on about the economy since Bush was put into office. Why should he start being wrong now? 

However, some people, I think, are arguing that The Shrill One doesn&#039;t appreciate the political problem the administration is facing here. Thus, the argument seems to go, the Geitner plan is a moderate approach. If it works, everybody&#039;s happy, credit loosens up, the economy starts to recover, and we can avoid the big GOP and media freak-out about SOCIALISM!!! If the plan doesn&#039;t work, then, Obama can say he tried it Wall Street&#039;s way and that didn&#039;t work, so now we have to put several big banks into &quot;receivership&quot; -- because he can&#039;t use the dreaded &quot;N&quot; word, &quot;nationalization.&quot; If I read Krugman right, he doesn&#039;t believe Obama will get a second chance. So who knows?

But two things on Obama: (1) I underestimated him all through the presidential campaign, so what do I know? And as far as the public is concerned, polls coming out yesterday appear not to hold him responsible for the AIG bonus mess. I would argue that the public support for him now is an argument for him to be more aggressive than he has been, but, as I said, what do I know? (2) I keep reminding myself that Obama is an establishment Democrat, not the Super Liberal the far right would have us believe. So why should I be surprised when he takes a middle-of-the-road action?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris and Michael,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m with you guys on this thing, so I&#8217;m preaching to the choir here. I share Krugman&#8217;s views on what needs to be done (along with his fellow Nobel winner Joseph Stiglitz). Krugman has been pretty dead on about the economy since Bush was put into office. Why should he start being wrong now? </p>
<p>However, some people, I think, are arguing that The Shrill One doesn&#8217;t appreciate the political problem the administration is facing here. Thus, the argument seems to go, the Geitner plan is a moderate approach. If it works, everybody&#8217;s happy, credit loosens up, the economy starts to recover, and we can avoid the big GOP and media freak-out about SOCIALISM!!! If the plan doesn&#8217;t work, then, Obama can say he tried it Wall Street&#8217;s way and that didn&#8217;t work, so now we have to put several big banks into &#8220;receivership&#8221; &#8212; because he can&#8217;t use the dreaded &#8220;N&#8221; word, &#8220;nationalization.&#8221; If I read Krugman right, he doesn&#8217;t believe Obama will get a second chance. So who knows?</p>
<p>But two things on Obama: (1) I underestimated him all through the presidential campaign, so what do I know? And as far as the public is concerned, polls coming out yesterday appear not to hold him responsible for the AIG bonus mess. I would argue that the public support for him now is an argument for him to be more aggressive than he has been, but, as I said, what do I know? (2) I keep reminding myself that Obama is an establishment Democrat, not the Super Liberal the far right would have us believe. So why should I be surprised when he takes a middle-of-the-road action?</p>
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		<title>By: Chris J. Miller</title>
		<link>http://blog.smartmemes.com/2009/03/geithners-latest-plan-for-the-banking-sector/comment-page-1/#comment-532</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris J. Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 10:54:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Part of &lt;a href=&quot;http://baselinescenario.com/2009/03/23/breaking-the-bank/#more-2982&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;an interesting commentary&lt;/a&gt; from Simon Johnson at Baseline Scenario (following on from an earlier &lt;a href=&quot;http://baselinescenario.com/2009/03/05/confusion-tunneling-and-looting/#more-2779&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;ruthless analysis&lt;/a&gt; of Treasury&#039;s current approach):

&quot;If Secretary Geithner’s scheme works, we draw the lesson that our banks became too big and we aim to make them smaller relative to the economy moving forward.  The regulatory agenda currently in progress - including for discussion at the G20 next week - would do essentially nothing to reduce the political power of big banks.  We need simple caps on bank size, leverage relative to the economy and - this is harder - measures of interconnected tail risk (i.e., is everyone making the same kind of crazy loans?).  Design a system with this in mind: regulators get captured and super-regulators get super-captured.

&quot;If the scheme doesn’t work, we draw the exact same lesson.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Part of <a href="http://baselinescenario.com/2009/03/23/breaking-the-bank/#more-2982"  rel="nofollow">an interesting commentary</a> from Simon Johnson at Baseline Scenario (following on from an earlier <a href="http://baselinescenario.com/2009/03/05/confusion-tunneling-and-looting/#more-2779"  rel="nofollow">ruthless analysis</a> of Treasury&#8217;s current approach):</p>
<p>&#8220;If Secretary Geithner’s scheme works, we draw the lesson that our banks became too big and we aim to make them smaller relative to the economy moving forward.  The regulatory agenda currently in progress &#8211; including for discussion at the G20 next week &#8211; would do essentially nothing to reduce the political power of big banks.  We need simple caps on bank size, leverage relative to the economy and &#8211; this is harder &#8211; measures of interconnected tail risk (i.e., is everyone making the same kind of crazy loans?).  Design a system with this in mind: regulators get captured and super-regulators get super-captured.</p>
<p>&#8220;If the scheme doesn’t work, we draw the exact same lesson.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 00:53:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DeLong is very generous in his account of the plan. He makes it sound like private investors are doing the rest of us a favor by participating, and merit consideration as a result. This is nonsense. If they have to be enticed, let&#039;s do without them: take over the banks, clean up the toxic assets at auction, and sell stakes in the healthy businesses at a handsome profit, retaining sizable positions so as to exercise voting rights and share in longer-term appreciation. This is a much more effective use of the FDIC that does not risk its other functions in the bargain. And send Geithner back to Wall Street, where he clearly feels at home.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DeLong is very generous in his account of the plan. He makes it sound like private investors are doing the rest of us a favor by participating, and merit consideration as a result. This is nonsense. If they have to be enticed, let&#8217;s do without them: take over the banks, clean up the toxic assets at auction, and sell stakes in the healthy businesses at a handsome profit, retaining sizable positions so as to exercise voting rights and share in longer-term appreciation. This is a much more effective use of the FDIC that does not risk its other functions in the bargain. And send Geithner back to Wall Street, where he clearly feels at home.</p>
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