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		<title>By: Chris J. Miller</title>
		<link>http://blog.smartmemes.com/2009/01/the-final-issue-of-final-crisis-finally/comment-page-1/#comment-397</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris J. Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 01:02:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s really amazing to me how polarizing this series has been to the comics readership.

Take, for instance, &lt;a href=&quot;http://mindlessones.com/2009/02/02/final-crikeysis-7-all-foreground-all-the-time/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Mindless Ones&lt;/a&gt;. It&#039;s a thoughtful bunch of folks over at that blog, and they often have interesting things to say... but in this case, when a poster like &quot;Amy&quot; can write of &lt;i&gt;FC&lt;/i&gt; #7 (emph. mine),
&lt;blockquote&gt;Grant Morrison’s comic, whilst being a big ol’ mess, blah, blah, is just about the most insanely superheroic thing I’ve ever read. &lt;b&gt;Ridiculous, history-defining events occur pretty much every other panel, and that’s what I want to see.&lt;/b&gt; Superheroes as metaphor for the impossible...

And as is befitting a comic that aims to capture the throbbing core of superheoism, there’s lots of talk about ‘mythic time’, Argos and heroes cluttering up this two page spread. Here the superpeople aren’t even attempting to sound like *people* per-se...

[The wonderhorn] transcends partisanship and division, nodding to some kind of fundamental ur-religion and source of holiness from which all of our different belief systems, perhaps, sprang...
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...and this is part and parcel of explicating why she &lt;b&gt;likes&lt;/b&gt; the book so much, well... obviously we&#039;re just operating on totally different wavelengths, with totally different concepts of what&#039;s &quot;cool&quot; or &quot;entertaining.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s really amazing to me how polarizing this series has been to the comics readership.</p>
<p>Take, for instance, <a href="http://mindlessones.com/2009/02/02/final-crikeysis-7-all-foreground-all-the-time/"  rel="nofollow">The Mindless Ones</a>. It&#8217;s a thoughtful bunch of folks over at that blog, and they often have interesting things to say&#8230; but in this case, when a poster like &#8220;Amy&#8221; can write of <i>FC</i> #7 (emph. mine),</p>
<blockquote><p>Grant Morrison’s comic, whilst being a big ol’ mess, blah, blah, is just about the most insanely superheroic thing I’ve ever read. <b>Ridiculous, history-defining events occur pretty much every other panel, and that’s what I want to see.</b> Superheroes as metaphor for the impossible&#8230;</p>
<p>And as is befitting a comic that aims to capture the throbbing core of superheoism, there’s lots of talk about ‘mythic time’, Argos and heroes cluttering up this two page spread. Here the superpeople aren’t even attempting to sound like *people* per-se&#8230;</p>
<p>[The wonderhorn] transcends partisanship and division, nodding to some kind of fundamental ur-religion and source of holiness from which all of our different belief systems, perhaps, sprang&#8230;
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<p>&#8230;and this is part and parcel of explicating why she <b>likes</b> the book so much, well&#8230; obviously we&#8217;re just operating on totally different wavelengths, with totally different concepts of what&#8217;s &#8220;cool&#8221; or &#8220;entertaining.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://blog.smartmemes.com/2009/01/the-final-issue-of-final-crisis-finally/comment-page-1/#comment-396</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 23:10:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read it at first, and hated it.  Then I went back and read all the tie-ins (Revelations, Submit, Superman Beyond, Secret Files, Batman R.I.P.).  Then I flipped through Death of the New Gods and Seven Soldiers and 52, just to refresh my memory.  Then I read the interviews with Morrison on IGN.

Then, and only then, could I re-read Final Crisis and understand what the hell was going on.  Turns out it&#039;s actually quite good, it&#039;s a great story, and a fantastic way to tie together everything in the DC Universe in one neat little package.

So I think the real question isn&#039;t really &quot;Was Final Crisis any good?&quot; but &quot;Was Final Crisis told in a way that will just confuse people and keep everyone but the most dedicated nerds from understanding or enjoying it?&quot;

As a story, I think it was a success, but as a method of telling that story, I think it was an abject failure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read it at first, and hated it.  Then I went back and read all the tie-ins (Revelations, Submit, Superman Beyond, Secret Files, Batman R.I.P.).  Then I flipped through Death of the New Gods and Seven Soldiers and 52, just to refresh my memory.  Then I read the interviews with Morrison on IGN.</p>
<p>Then, and only then, could I re-read Final Crisis and understand what the hell was going on.  Turns out it&#8217;s actually quite good, it&#8217;s a great story, and a fantastic way to tie together everything in the DC Universe in one neat little package.</p>
<p>So I think the real question isn&#8217;t really &#8220;Was Final Crisis any good?&#8221; but &#8220;Was Final Crisis told in a way that will just confuse people and keep everyone but the most dedicated nerds from understanding or enjoying it?&#8221;</p>
<p>As a story, I think it was a success, but as a method of telling that story, I think it was an abject failure.</p>
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		<title>By: Final Crikeysis #7 - Black holes and plot holes (part 2 of 2) &#171; Mindless Ones</title>
		<link>http://blog.smartmemes.com/2009/01/the-final-issue-of-final-crisis-finally/comment-page-1/#comment-382</link>
		<dc:creator>Final Crikeysis #7 - Black holes and plot holes (part 2 of 2) &#171; Mindless Ones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 13:51:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] me, anyway; other people&#8217;s mileage, oh it varied - the vitriol&#8217;s been a little surprising, even although I girded myself against such an [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] me, anyway; other people&#8217;s mileage, oh it varied &#8211; the vitriol&#8217;s been a little surprising, even although I girded myself against such an [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://blog.smartmemes.com/2009/01/the-final-issue-of-final-crisis-finally/comment-page-1/#comment-363</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 18:35:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There were some &quot;neat&quot; ideas thrown about in Morrison&#039;s take on &quot;David Lynch-ing&quot; a Crisis, but the fact of the matter is, for all the &quot;creativity&quot; and &quot;imagination&quot; and &quot;magick&quot;, Morrison is crapping out a lot of also-ran ideas he&#039;s harped on for his entire career, and in this case it&#039;s one of his most inept deliveries of this stuff.

Final Crisis, while containing some fun moments, sucked as a whole.  Thank you, Mr. Miller, for not feeling you have to praise poorly written drivel just to join the Geek Elite in &quot;getting it&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There were some &#8220;neat&#8221; ideas thrown about in Morrison&#8217;s take on &#8220;David Lynch-ing&#8221; a Crisis, but the fact of the matter is, for all the &#8220;creativity&#8221; and &#8220;imagination&#8221; and &#8220;magick&#8221;, Morrison is crapping out a lot of also-ran ideas he&#8217;s harped on for his entire career, and in this case it&#8217;s one of his most inept deliveries of this stuff.</p>
<p>Final Crisis, while containing some fun moments, sucked as a whole.  Thank you, Mr. Miller, for not feeling you have to praise poorly written drivel just to join the Geek Elite in &#8220;getting it&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: RAB</title>
		<link>http://blog.smartmemes.com/2009/01/the-final-issue-of-final-crisis-finally/comment-page-1/#comment-360</link>
		<dc:creator>RAB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 20:58:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking as an impartial observer who knows neither one of you: Seb, I don&#039;t think Chris took your words out of context or misrepresented your sentiments.  

For that matter, having given us a link to the post in question, anyone reading this can see for themselves whether or not the characterization was accurate and doesn&#039;t have to take the word of Chris or anyone else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking as an impartial observer who knows neither one of you: Seb, I don&#8217;t think Chris took your words out of context or misrepresented your sentiments.  </p>
<p>For that matter, having given us a link to the post in question, anyone reading this can see for themselves whether or not the characterization was accurate and doesn&#8217;t have to take the word of Chris or anyone else.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris J. Miller</title>
		<link>http://blog.smartmemes.com/2009/01/the-final-issue-of-final-crisis-finally/comment-page-1/#comment-359</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris J. Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 19:39:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SP, I didn&#039;t mean to misrepresent you, and I&#039;m sorry if you feel I somehow did so. I made clear that you liked the book, and that I was only excerpting your post rather than quoting at length, and of course the link was there for anyone to read the whole thing. My main point, though, was to illustrate that even FC&#039;s &lt;b&gt;fans&lt;/b&gt; have to offer careful and lengthy qualifications of their praise for the wrap-up of this story. Fair enough?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SP, I didn&#8217;t mean to misrepresent you, and I&#8217;m sorry if you feel I somehow did so. I made clear that you liked the book, and that I was only excerpting your post rather than quoting at length, and of course the link was there for anyone to read the whole thing. My main point, though, was to illustrate that even FC&#8217;s <b>fans</b> have to offer careful and lengthy qualifications of their praise for the wrap-up of this story. Fair enough?</p>
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		<title>By: Seb Patrick</title>
		<link>http://blog.smartmemes.com/2009/01/the-final-issue-of-final-crisis-finally/comment-page-1/#comment-357</link>
		<dc:creator>Seb Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 14:17:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;Yes, that’s what passes for praise

No, that&#039;s what passes for all the qualifiers that surrounded my praise. What passes for praise are things like :

&lt;blockquote&gt;What makes it work is that the scope is absolutely massive, characters everywhere get to have their triumphant moments (in the “punch the air” stakes, it comes close to matching Captain Britain and MI:13), and it has all the satisfying epic resonance that the likes of Infinite Crisis lacked. The gathering of an entire multiverse’s army of Supermen is exactly the sort of huge ending that this type of story should be doing.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;There are ideas and moments that I want to sit here and list, but to say too much would give away things that are a joy to discover as they happen.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;Lois Lane’s [narration] drives the story in a truly elegant way&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;this issue thrilled, entertained and gripped me more than almost any other in-universe superhero title I’ve read in quite some time.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

But, y&#039;know, you can say anything by chopping and splicing together someone&#039;s words in an out-of-context way!

(but hey, thanks for reading!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;Yes, that’s what passes for praise</p>
<p>No, that&#8217;s what passes for all the qualifiers that surrounded my praise. What passes for praise are things like :</p>
<blockquote><p>What makes it work is that the scope is absolutely massive, characters everywhere get to have their triumphant moments (in the “punch the air” stakes, it comes close to matching Captain Britain and MI:13), and it has all the satisfying epic resonance that the likes of Infinite Crisis lacked. The gathering of an entire multiverse’s army of Supermen is exactly the sort of huge ending that this type of story should be doing.</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>There are ideas and moments that I want to sit here and list, but to say too much would give away things that are a joy to discover as they happen.</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>Lois Lane’s [narration] drives the story in a truly elegant way</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>this issue thrilled, entertained and gripped me more than almost any other in-universe superhero title I’ve read in quite some time.</p></blockquote>
<p>But, y&#8217;know, you can say anything by chopping and splicing together someone&#8217;s words in an out-of-context way!</p>
<p>(but hey, thanks for reading!)</p>
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